[Python-il] [pyweb-il:637] Advertisement: Hacker News IL

Meir Kriheli meir at mksoft.co.il
Mon Jan 4 00:12:50 IST 2010

On 01/03/2010 08:18 PM, Idan Gazit wrote:
> Sorry, this thread has devolved into philosophical BS.
> In the end, we all choose what tools we use to Get Shit Done. Unless
> you are a true zealot like RMS, using *only* Free software and
> services, you make compromises about these tools all the time.

I don't like RMS too much, but for the other side of the coin, I'll take 
out the bike and shed some light on the issue:

I despise Apple, I turn down down iPhone (apps and web related) work 
even of they pay good money, cause those things are important to me.

But I'm not calling Apple users "Design BS", I respect their choice, but 
I expect the same treatment.

For me (and guess others) those things are important. After a long 
debate with my bank I've closed the account there and moved to another 
bank which supports standards. Cause of people like us who stand their 
ground things are changing standard wise (which also benefits apple 
users and other way around).

I'll turn down jobs offers which require the usage of close 
tools/technologies or coding IE only sites.

For that matter I don't tweet, but even if I would get the urge to spam 
the world I'll use identi.ca.

That the reason I'm hosting my own mail server and other services.

Same is with facebook, had I known the shortened URL was leading to 
there I wouldn't even click it, as I don't want to grant them even a 
click. For me it's the same as using an iPhone only app to organize this 
thing - no way.

Had I've been the one setting the pyweb-il for example, google groups 
won't be the choice neither, but at least it allows me to keep my 
workflow using an email client to keep up do date.

And the list goes on. Those things are important to me, and even if they 
cost me money I'm standing by them. Calling my way of life and choices 
"BS" or zealotry is not taken lightly.

This things are important to some other "hackers" as well, the same ones 
who are the target audience.

> So perhaps, in your opinion, google is OK and facebook is not. Perhaps
> using MS office is distasteful but necessary. Everybody makes these
> choices, but the truth is that they are just compromises, subjective
> reflections of our feelings. And that's fine! So long as you are
> honest about the fact that you are against using something because of
> a feeling.
> Me personally, I think that facebook is one of the best available
> solutions available for my problem, even if it isn't a *good*
> solution. While I recognize that there are some free-software
> "fundamentalists" -- or even just people for whom that principle has a
> higher weight than mine -- the reality is that no other tool really
> meets my needs quite as well right now.
> Right now, I'll get going with the tool that works to *get something
> off the ground*, as opposed to wasting time debating whether or not to
> paint this bikeshed orange. The fact remains that nobody cared deeply
> enough to write a good alternative, and that is why this is a bikeshed
> discussion.
> -I


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